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| Class 170s enter traffic with TPE | |
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| 17:36, 13 March 2007: | Report | Quote |
| MetX Member Send a message Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 121 |
Units 170301 and 170302 have entered revenue eraning traffic on the Hull - Manchester Piccadilly route respendant in the smart TPE neon livery with a minor tweak for the identification of first class on the side of the carriage. Today's working was as follows but due to the way the units finish there diagramms may not work the same ones day in day out! 0732 Hull - Manchester* 0942 Manchester - Hull* 1237 Hull - Manchester 1442 Manchester - Hull 1642 Manchester - Hull § 1700 Hull - Huddersfield * Two class 170 coupled § One Class 170 and Class 158 - before anyone starts this is nothing new as they used to work 170 and 159 combi for SWT. (This message has been edited) Let the evidence do the talking |
| 17:39, 13 March 2007: | Report | Quote |
| Toady400 Member Send a message Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1010 |
And 158/170 combo's in bonny Scotland. And Central, lol. I'm now a Southerner in North Wales. One extreme to the other! 50's Forever. The Signaller friendly Dobber! No.1 hater of buses. Anything with 4 wheels per coach just isn't a train! |
| 18:57, 13 March 2007: | Report | Quote |
| JsT Member Send a message Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 1132 |
Looking very nice they are too - although I'm damn sure they need more carriages. Piccies below. Northern Railways Visit my Fotopic |
| 23:38, 13 March 2007: | Report | Quote |
| FirstScotrailer Member Send a message Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 517 |
MetX said: ---- § One Class 170 and Class 158 - before anyone starts this is nothing new as they used to work 170 and 159 combi for SWT. ---- And in Scotland this happens daily on many services, and where possible passengers still try and cram themselves into the 170.  |
| 07:04, 14 March 2007: | Report | Quote |
| Toady400 Member Send a message Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1010 |
The 170's are on a different diagram today. 0735 ex Man Picc (both). 0941 to Man Picc (301). 1037 to Man Picc (302). 1142 to Hull (301). 1242 to Hull (302). 1437 to Man Picc (301 + 158777). 1539 to Man Picc (302). 1642 to Hull (301 + 777). 1859 to Leeds (301). 1742 to Hull (302). 2105 to Hull (ex Leeds - 302). I'm now a Southerner in North Wales. One extreme to the other! 50's Forever. The Signaller friendly Dobber! No.1 hater of buses. Anything with 4 wheels per coach just isn't a train! |
| 12:48, 15 March 2007: | Report | Quote |
| Homebrew King Member Send a message Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 68 |
Saw them race past at Micklefield on tuesday while I was sipping a  , should`ve took some pics  Enjoy your holographic world, else change it. |
| 08:23, 16 March 2007: | Report | Quote |
| Class 87 Member 
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Who would have thought that the TPX network could change so quickly with all of these units. Less than 6 months ago we saw 158s and coradias (and 185s were rare), now completely changed to 185s and 170s with a remainder of 158s left. Has there ever been such a quick unit change? I will look out for the new 170s, are they likely to be running at weekends? (This message has been edited) |
| 10:03, 16 March 2007: | Report | Quote |
| penninelad Member Send a message Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 42 |
Saw 170301 at Manchester Piccadilly yesterday. Must say I'm very imressed with how the livery looks, however, I am very dissapointed that the interiors have not been fully re-furbed to match the colour schemes within the 185s. Does that mean all the 158s have left TPE? This week I've gone for a couple of trains that I expected to be 158s (Man Picc - Hull route) only to find that they've been worked by 185s! Just what I was trying to avoid! Guess I'll be chasing the 170s now, as from what I remember of them, they are probably more comfortable than the 185s, even if a long way off the comfort standards of the great 158s that have really served well! I do find it a bit annoying that the Northern TPE to Hull has had to take on the 170s, given that this route was the pilot for the 185s. In some ways it's like the day's of Arriva Transpennine, when it was always the Hull that seemed to be inflicted with the second rate trains (i.e. 156s) when the 158 fleet was short. I understand it's all to do with that route having "self contained diagrams'. Why that's important I really don't understand though. Luggage stacks and space between the seat backs is available for the stowage of large or heavy items. |
| 12:24, 16 March 2007: | Report | Quote |
| JsT Member Send a message Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 1132 |
penninehopper said: ---- Does that mean all the 158s have left TPE? This week I've gone for a couple of trains that I expected to be 158s (Man Picc - Hull route) only to find that they've been worked by 185s! Just what I was trying to avoid! I understand it's all to do with that route having "self contained diagrams'. Why that's important I really don't understand though. ---- 9 or so 158's left. Self contained diagrams are important for implementation where its best to keep everything close to home depot. For example if you put 170's on a morning Man Air - Newcastle it could end up in Liverpool, then Scarborough the next day etc. With self contained diagrams they work one group of services and its easier for them to get back to depot (Crofton) if needs be rather than having them isolated up in Newcastle or Windermere which is miles and miles from home depot. Northern Railways Visit my Fotopic |
| 14:03, 16 March 2007: | Report | Quote |
| penninelad Member Send a message Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 42 |
JsT said: ---- 9 or so 158's left. Self contained diagrams are important for implementation where its best to keep everything close to home depot. For example if you put 170's on a morning Man Air - Newcastle it could end up in Liverpool, then Scarborough the next day etc. With self contained diagrams they work one group of services and its easier for them to get back to depot (Crofton) if needs be rather than having them isolated up in Newcastle or Windermere which is miles and miles from home depot. ---- Thanks for the explaination JsT. That makes perfect sense, especially as Crofton (presumably the Crofton in east Wakefield) is not really that far off the Hull - Man Picc line. Love the pics of the 170s on your site by the way. I know apprecaite, from your pic of the poster, that they will be re-furbished - which is great. (This message has been edited) Luggage stacks and space between the seat backs is available for the stowage of large or heavy items. |
| 16:08, 17 March 2007: | Report | Quote |
| Paul Scott Member Send a message Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 2375 |
penninehopper said: ---- I understand it's all to do with that route having "self contained diagrams'. Why that's important I really don't understand though. ---- I don't think other replies have covered 'self contained diagrams' completely, so here goes with another case. If you use my local services as an example, if a train left the depot and spent all day running between Waterloo and Portsmouth, then went back to depot at night, that would be considered 'self contained'. If OTOH it did a Waterloo-Portsmouth-Waterloo, followed by a Southampton service, then a local stopper direct from Southampton to Portsmouth, then a fast straight up to Waterloo, that wouldn't be self contained. The disadvantage is that for instance a delay caused by signal failure between Southampton and Portsmouth would impact on 3 different routes - rather than just the one. Hope that is clearer... Paul |
| 17:02, 17 March 2007: | Report | Quote |
| penninelad Member Send a message Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 42 |
Paul - thanks for the extra explaination regarding the "Self Contained Diagrams" makes sense to me. Managed to grab a ride on one of tpe class 170s today between Huddersfield and Manchester. (170302+170304) coupled up, leaving Hudds around 14:59. It did seem strange travelling through the standedge tunnel route on a 170. The first class at one end of each 2 car set seems to have been de-classified to standard class. Indeed, the de-classified end was different on the two sets mentioned above (i.e. the 79x on one and the 50x car on the other). As a regular commuter on the north TPE line I think the de-classified first class end will probably be the most relaxing spot for me - much more preferable to a 185! I've often travelled on the orginal Central Trains 170s, e.g. between Manchester and Sheffield or Birmingham and Worcester - can't seem to remember there being first class at both ends though. Were the SWT 170 layouts different to the orig Central Trains? Thanks in advance to anyone who can explain. Luggage stacks and space between the seat backs is available for the stowage of large or heavy items. |
| 18:24, 17 March 2007: | Report | Quote |
| Paul Scott Member Send a message Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 2375 |
penninehopper said: ---- I've often travelled on the orginal Central Trains 170s, e.g. between Manchester and Sheffield or Birmingham and Worcester - can't seem to remember there being first class at both ends though. Were the SWT 170 layouts different to the orig Central Trains? Thanks in advance to anyone who can explain. ---- I think the reasoning was that the SWT 170s were leased as a bit of a stop-gap to augment West of England line (Waterloo-Salisbury-Exeter) services, in the absence of new build 159s at the time; and these longer distance services, like the routes to Portsmouth, Southampton, Weymouth etc do seem to justify a reasonable level of first class provision. The only way of getting about half a cars worth of first class was to take over the two end bits, because of the 1/3 2/3 door layout. Bear in mind that the units were often used in multiple with 159s to make up 7 or 8 car trains, with the 159s providing a higher ratio of standard class seating. Of course what SWT really wanted were more 3 car 159s, and the 159/1 conversions which are now in service (7 of 8) have achieved that. Paul |
| 20:28, 17 March 2007: | Report | Quote |
| MetX Member Send a message Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 121 |
The Hull - Manchester's are self-contained diagram - also there are usally the first to be pull on the North Route at times of serious network disruption. All TPE 170s have had one section of the first class de-classified - so only one section per unit will have first - which will do with the Hulls as outside the peaks they are the quieter services. However all will be 'refreshed' to the same standards as the 185 inside - the material is on order!!!! One little know fact is that the 170s were sent North in a deplorable state internally and credit must be given to TPE and their cleaning team in turning the units in something acceptable until the refresh is done  All units are based at Crofton (yes the same depot which 'bent' a Hull Trains 222) however arrangements are currently been finalised for some light work to undertaken at Ardwick. An intresting thing for the weekends is that they may not work on the Hull's but should we say further afield but I ain't saying more than that - just watch this space!  Some pictures of the initial working can now be found on www.wnxx.com (This message has been edited) (This message has been edited) Let the evidence do the talking |
| 21:37, 17 March 2007: | Report | Quote |
| Yoshi Member 
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Funky paintjob, but for some reason, it appears to 'Re-Shape' the front. My eyes are use to seeing a full yellow front! -Jószi Bliszko  |
| 22:28, 17 March 2007: | Report | Quote |
| Howard Member Send a message Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 55 |
I can't wait to have a ride on a TPE 170 as it's a long time since I sampled a 170 with TPE. So the 17:00 Hull to Huddersfield service - preumably this will reverse at Huddersfield and head off to Crofon via Healey Mills? |
| 23:11, 17 March 2007: | Report | Quote |
| MetX Member Send a message Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 121 |
Howard said: ---- I can't wait to have a ride on a TPE 170 as it's a long time since I sampled a 170 with TPE. So the 17:00 Hull to Huddersfield service - preumably this will reverse at Huddersfield and head off to Crofon via Healey Mills? ---- This is the first time TPE have had 170s all 158s before the 185s came on the scene!! The short working to Huddersfield doesn't go to Crofton. It arrives on platform 4 at Huddersfield and then goes ECS to Manchester for a later departure. Also at the moment, as aI mentioned ealier, the workimgs are not currently the same day in day out. Turns are still covered with 158s and the occasional 185. (This message has been edited) Let the evidence do the talking |
| 23:56, 17 March 2007: | Report | Quote |
| Shrew Member Send a message Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 404 |
That is one smart train... I'm not a fan of the "neon" schemes, but the 170 looks outstanding. Its like its a totally new unit! Just wish there was a 3-car kicking around. Those 2-cars are going to get pretty full quickly! Shrew |
| 00:13, 18 March 2007: | Report | Quote |
| Toady400 Member Send a message Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1010 |
No spare sets out there unfortunatley. And with no production line open unless they sneak in something when Bombardier start the metro built for the East London Line/ North London Line replacement stock, then they ain't getting none. I'm now a Southerner in North Wales. One extreme to the other! 50's Forever. The Signaller friendly Dobber! No.1 hater of buses. Anything with 4 wheels per coach just isn't a train! |
| 11:33, 18 March 2007: | Report | Quote |
| MetX Member Send a message Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 121 |
Shrew said: ---- That is one smart train... I'm not a fan of the "neon" schemes, but the 170 looks outstanding. Its like its a totally new unit! Just wish there was a 3-car kicking around. Those 2-cars are going to get pretty full quickly! Shrew ---- That's the idea! Confuse the public into thinking it's still a new train but not letting them it's a slightly older train. For example TfL district line refurb stock is conning people into thinking they are brand new trains - great ain't it!!! In the main these TPE 170s will run around at peak times a 4-cars in order to shift the commuter load between Hull, Selby and Leeds and Leeds to Manchester and v.v. Let the evidence do the talking |