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| 11:04, 22 March 2009: | Report | Quote | |
| LilLoaf Member Send a message Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 100 |
Hi everyone. I'm trying to find out as much as i can on South West trains. I need to what trains work on South West trains routes. I know that 455 work services to Dorking but thats about it. If someone could just do a list of what stock works what routes that would be great. Also how many carriages are on each service as well. Also Where are the train crew depot's ? Where are the train depot's? Do any trains have a trolley service or buffet on? Thanks in advance LilLoaf. | |
| 11:20, 22 March 2009: | Report | Quote | |
| Mark B! Member Send a message Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 1229 News credits: 1 |
Waterloo to Exeter is operated by Salisbury based Class 159s with occasional 158s. As for Length between 3 and 10 coaches east of Salisbury and 3-6 car to the west. Services will often divide on route - Most 159 services have a trolley on board.... Number of edits: 1. Last edit: 15:42, 22 March 2009 | |
| 12:30, 22 March 2009: | Report | Quote | |
| Toady400 Member Send a message Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1010 |
158/159 - Waterloo - Salisbury/Yeovil Juction/Exeter St Davids and various points in Between. Also found on Bristol services from Waterloo. 158's are also used on Totton - Romsey/Salisbury trains. 444 - Waterloo - Southampton/Bournemouth/Poole/Weymouth, Portsmouth Harbour Peaks only, or via Eastleigh throughout. 450 - take your pick, Baingstoke/Alton/Portsmouth and all points in between, can be seen down Bournemouth aswell. The 500 series can be found mostly on Waterloo - Weybridge via Staines, Loop trains via Hounslow, and Windsor. Occasionally on other suburban services but not regular. 455 - all suburban trains vice what the 450/5's work i.e: Waterloo - Guildford via Epsom/Cobham or Woking, Dorking, and Woking terminators, Loop trains via Kingston, Chessington South, Shepperton, Hampton Court etc. Can be seen on Windsor line trains over the weekend. 458 - restricted to Waterloo - Reading trains only, but can be seen on suburban duties during the peaks and still have a run on the mainline IIRC. Toady  I'm now a Southerner in North Wales. One extreme to the other! 50's Forever. The Signaller friendly Dobber! No.1 hater of buses. Anything with 4 wheels per coach just isn't a train! Number of edits: 1. Last edit: 12:33, 22 March 2009 | |
| 18:44, 22 March 2009: | Report | Quote | |
| LilLoaf Member Send a message Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 100 |
Ok thats all good info, what about number of carriages on each service, i seen some 444's doubled and some singled both off peak and at peak times. Anyone know about train crew depot's? Do SWT still run 170's? | |
| 19:19, 22 March 2009: | Report | Quote | |
| Paul Scott Member Send a message Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 2375 |
It would be impossible to list all the train lengths by service here, as they vary by time of day, direction of travel, splitting and joining on route etc. For example over the course of a day there are 5 possibilities just for Southampton - Waterloo services - 5 or 10.444, 4, 8 or 12.450. 158s and 159s vary between 2 and 10 car formations over the day as well. No 170s, they all went to TPEx, except for one to SN, about 2 years ago. Paul Number of edits: 1. Last edit: 19:21, 22 March 2009 | |
| 19:43, 22 March 2009: | Report | Quote | |
| LilLoaf Member Send a message Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 100 |
I was just looking for a general number of carriages on each service. For example are there any Hounslow loop services off peak times run as 4 car sets, or are they all in 8 car formations. What would the typical number of carriages be on a lunchtime Waterloo - Poole etc. Just a general overview of each route. Doesn't need to be exact to each time service. Thanks. | |
| 19:52, 22 March 2009: | Report | Quote | |
| Paul Scott Member Send a message Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 2375 |
Expanding on the above, from the current CWNs, weekday Portsmouth - Waterloo services are now about 45% 450 and 55% 444, with both unit types also being used via Eastleigh, as the diagrams are interworked at both ends. There is no obvious pattern to usage, however the up services in the morning peak are often alleged by pressure groups to be mainly 450s. The CWN does not support this view at all though! About half of weekday off peak Waterloo - Poole trains are 450 too. Paul Number of edits: 1. Last edit: 19:53, 22 March 2009 | |
| 20:16, 22 March 2009: | Report | Quote | |
| Toady400 Member Send a message Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1010 |
Paul. Slightly off topic for a sec. Have u heard anything on platform 20 at Waterloo. As things have gone v. quiet! Toady I'm now a Southerner in North Wales. One extreme to the other! 50's Forever. The Signaller friendly Dobber! No.1 hater of buses. Anything with 4 wheels per coach just isn't a train! | |
| 21:09, 22 March 2009: | Report | Quote | |
| 3141 Member Send a message Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 391 |
Also you see one or two 444 workings to Alton. I've seen 458s stabled at Farnham, but I don't know if they work to/from there in passenger service. | |
| 13:57, 23 March 2009: | Report | Quote | |
| Tom C Member Send a message Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 70 |
Currently subbing a few morning Alton services, the 458s are. [/Yoda] Number of edits: 1. Last edit: 13:57, 23 March 2009 | |
| 18:13, 23 March 2009: | Report | Quote | |
| Rob Member 
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The Farnham 458s are the ones that form the Aldershot - Waterloo (via Staines) during AM peak and Waterloo - Aldershot (via Staines) services in PM peak, aren't they? Seeing as there are a great deal of this fleet not on daily diagrams (8 isn't it), it's not surprising that they regularly run the Alton service. The Alton line is perhaps the most common mainline route they are deployed on, but they are almost 100% focussed on the Waterloo to Reading line, partially due to compatibility issues. | |
| 13:49, 24 March 2009: | Report | Quote | |
| Tom C Member Send a message Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 70 |
Rob - do you know what you're on about?  The 458s that end at Farnham each night are either (booked) to be off Reading or Aldershot via Ascot services. HOWEVER, at the moment due to some 450 shortage for some reason they are also occasionally being employed on Alton services in the morning peak where available. | |
| 21:07, 26 March 2009: | Report | Quote | |
| Rob Member
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No I don't that's why I posed it more as a question. But the 458s are more familiar on the Alton line so it's fairly expected for them to be on there as opposed to something like Haslemere stoppers, covering for 450s. Out of interest... does anyone know what will happen to the 458s when the 10car to Reading plan sets in? | |
| 22:56, 26 March 2009: | Report | Quote | |
| Paul Scott Member Send a message Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 2375 |
Swap for 8 car 450s elsewhere, those 450s to be lengthened to 10 car? Then they could swap back if Reading goes 12 car. The '10 car suburban' railway is just a transitional phase (according to current route plans) on the way to 12 cars anyway. Also, 10 or 12 car are only necessary in the peaks, just as on the current 12 car routes, so it doesn't seem a huge issue. Probably all change due to the recession anyway... Paul | |
| 12:39, 27 March 2009: | Report | Quote | |
| Rob Member
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true enough!  | |
| 15:51, 27 March 2009: | Report | Quote | |
| Tom C Member Send a message Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 70 |
Believe 10 car suburban still going ahead as its a franchise commitment. It will displace the 458s to inner suburban work down the SWML. In the end I suspect they will be withdrawn. | |
| 10:18, 10 August 2009: | Report | Quote | |
| 34002salisbury Member Send a message Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 1 |
don't forget the 421s on the lymmington branch based at wimboledon now | |
| 12:08, 24 August 2009: | Report | Quote | |
| Paul Scott Member Send a message Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 2375 |
Latest from Roger Ford [in his preview email] is that Porterbrook are suggesting remodelling the 458s and ex GatEx 460s into 5 car units as part of the solution to the SWT 10 car requirements... Funnily enough it has been rumoured in a couple of places that SN aren't interested in the 460s beyond their current lease... Paul | |
| 09:33, 20 February 2010: | Report | Quote | |
| nickt Member Send a message Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 72 |
A quick question about this Sunday's SWT service. The line is shut between Basingstoke and Woking. Trains from Exeter to Basingstoke arrive at xx.12 past each hour, and those from Basingstoke back to Exeter leave at xx.15 minutes past the hour. Is it the same train that turns round in 3 minutes, or is the layover 63 minutes? It matters to me because I have to drop off a grand-daughter there tomorrow, and want to get the train back three minutes later. http://nick301.photos.us.com/ | |
| 22:54, 20 February 2010: | Report | Quote | |
| 3141 Member Send a message Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 391 |
Sorry I do not absolutely know the answer, but I would guess that the arriving train lays over and returns 63 minutes later. Reasons for the guess are (1) if an arrival had been delayed and the layover was only 3 minutes the train would already be late before it started back; (2) unless the crew had only joined it at Salisbury provision would need to be made for them to go to the loo, sort out the stock and takings on the trolley, check money taken in fares, etc. | |