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| 21:34, 14 August 2009: | Report | Quote | ||
| THE ALE MASTER Member Send a message Joined: May 2004 Posts: 543 News credits: 1 |
A little bit of good news, catering trolleys are back on the Liverpool-Norwich route from 7th September. They are being provided by Rail Gourmet and operating out of the Sheffield service centre. They will be on at least part of the journey on every weekday train except the earliest and latest trains. | ||
| 23:06, 14 August 2009: | Report | Quote | ||
| darky Member Send a message Joined: May 2005 Posts: 1913 |
That is excellent news. Even part of the route is better than nothing for those making the longest journeys. It really did seem very poor in comparison with TPX on the Hope Valley who have trolley service & lengthy 3-car trains!! | ||
| 10:48, 15 August 2009: | Report | Quote | ||
| THE ALE MASTER Member Send a message Joined: May 2004 Posts: 543 News credits: 1 |
Just need to persuade the DfT to sort out a few extra DMUS for EMT now so most trains can be 4 car north of Nottingham. If it happens it will be mid to late 2010. | ||
| 13:37, 19 August 2009: | Report | Quote | ||
| Phat Controller Member Send a message Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 303 |
Probably 2011 before the 150's arrive. The 172's that will allow them to be cascaded haven't even been started yet. | ||
| 14:39, 19 August 2009: | Report | Quote | ||
| eddp Member Send a message Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1429 News credits: 1 |
That's the first I've heard of EMT getting cascaded 150s. I'd only heard that they'd get cascaded 153s. If they are getting 150s it throws out the idea that all Northern's 142s will be replaced by 150s, with FGW expected to get some new DMUs to replace them. | ||
| 17:24, 19 August 2009: | Report | Quote | ||
| class220fan Member 
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LM 150s are unsutable for EMTs routes as most of them are fairly long disctance, with the exception of maybe Nottingham-Worksop They really need 150s with 2+2 seating and tables, like FGWs and then they wouldnt be that suitable for the longer routes. I suppose theyre better than no extra trains at all though Does working out milages on the national rail timetable count as maths revision? Number of edits: 1. Last edit: 17:25, 19 August 2009 | ||
| 12:16, 22 August 2009: | Report | Quote | ||
| Phat Controller Member Send a message Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 303 |
EMT have applied for 6 class 150's to help improve capacity. They would be used on the Matlock - Nottingham service to free up units which would then be cascaded to help free up class 158's to strengthen the Liverpool - Norwich route. Where they will come from is unknown however LOROL operate 6 x 150's so it could be from there. As neither LOROL nor LM will release any 150's until they receive their 172's, it could be some time before EMT receive them. | ||
| 18:12, 22 August 2009: | Report | Quote | ||
| Paul Scott Member Send a message Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 2375 |
I see in the newly published East Midlands RUS consultation draft they are talking about 13 extra carriages 'when they become available' to allow peak time LDHS [long distance high speed] services to run at max length of 11 cars. Would that be more Meridians running as 7+4 sets? Can't quite work out how they come up with 13 though... Paul | ||
| 09:42, 24 August 2009: | Report | Quote | ||
| jjb Member 
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The only units I've seen on the Matlock run are 153's and 156's. Perhaps the Crewe run? | ||
| 10:41, 24 August 2009: | Report | Quote | ||
| eddp Member Send a message Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1429 News credits: 1 |
When's the future Northern RUS, do they mean in 2014 or beyond? And given projected passenger numbers could it be 24 or even 36 extra cars are needed by 2019? Number of edits: 1. Last edit: 10:43, 24 August 2009 | ||
| 10:54, 24 August 2009: | Report | Quote | ||
| eddp Member Send a message Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1429 News credits: 1 |
I disagree. The following services are all suitable journey lengths for 150s: Derby to Crewe Nottingham to Matlock Nottingham to Worksop Corby/Kettering to London* *Although 150s may cause pathing problems and increased journey times in this case, due to their 75mph top speed, but the people of Corby and Kettering are very lucky to get Meridans for a journey of under 90 minutes, we're used to 142s and 150s in the North on journeys of up to 2 hours (both normally with 3+2 seating, although a few Northern 142s have 2+2 seating.) Number of edits: 2. Last edit: 16:29, 24 August 2009 | ||
| 11:41, 24 August 2009: | Report | Quote | ||
| Monkey Member Send a message Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 2659 |
True on the last point, Peterborough - London still has 317's knocking about. Cambridge - London still is in the hands of the 317's. If MML ever gets electrified, I would be very surprised if Corby was not moved into Thameslink as an extension of Bedford services (No facts to back this up however) | ||
| 15:59, 24 August 2009: | Report | Quote | ||
| jjb Member
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True, but what would they do with the 153's? | ||
| 16:22, 24 August 2009: | Report | Quote | ||
| eddp Member Send a message Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1429 News credits: 1 |
I was responding to the comment that EMT only had one route that 150s were suitable for. I'd personally like the cascaded 150s to either directly or indirectly replace Pacers, so that's a question for the people wanting EMT to get 150s to answer. | ||
| 01:14, 25 August 2009: | Report | Quote | ||
| rickyjl Member Send a message Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 1222 |
Wouldnt it just make sence to have some centre cars back from Northern?! | ||
| 18:13, 25 August 2009: | Report | Quote | ||
| northernrailer Member 
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If East Midlands gets the class 150 units they should be concentrated on Lincoln, so then Local services out of Lincoln are formed of 2 carriages instead of 1, and the class 153 units can be used the strengthen other services around the East Mids. At peak times and on a Saturday Local services departing Lincoln cant cope as a Single Carriage service. The 1600 Lincoln - Peterborough is always full and sometimes standing. The 1656 Lincoln - Newark is always full and sometimes standing. I am suprised at how busy summer sunday services between lincoln and Newark are either direction, i travelled on the 1725 Lincoln - Newark and this could of done to have been a 2 car unit. I can remember travelling on a Centro class 150 from Skegness to Derby one summer, this was a 3 car unit - if the units were reseated with chapman seats then they would be a lot more comfortable. The class 150 units were good for loading and unloading pax at stations on the Skegness line but couldnt cope with luggage as there are no racks. http://noelphotographs.fotopic.net/ Number of edits: 1. Last edit: 18:16, 25 August 2009 | ||
| 21:42, 25 August 2009: | Report | Quote | ||
| emchris Member Send a message Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 49 |
In an ideal world that would be a good idea, but unfortunately, the point of the 6 Class 150s would be to release Class 158s from elsewhere. By displacing only 6 single-car Class 153s from services in Lincolnshire, you'd either need to move single Class 153s onto other routes thereby shifting the problem, to gain the six 158s you needed or double the 153s up to two cars, giving only a total gain of 3 2-car units, hardly enough to make any difference on the Liverpool - Norwich route. Unfortunately, I think the best that can be expected in Lincolnshire is the odd extra Class 153 to strengthen. Six units will not go far at all! | ||
| 09:03, 26 August 2009: | Report | Quote | ||
| dylanw Member Send a message Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 342 |
Although I can see where you're coming from I think this is an oversimplification. I agree that the Corby service (which started earlier this year) could have been trialled using some of EMT's sprinters (158s probably being most suitable given the line speed) but if this happened where would the cascaded Meridians go that makes good use of their seating capacity and max speed? The thing you have to remember about Kettering is that it's on the mainline and, (apart from the Corby service) trains that call their are Intercity services between London and Leicester/Derby/Nottingham - Kettering isn't necessarily being favoured it's just that it only gets mainline services! In addition Kettering has a large number of commuters - would a 150 be suitable in the peak hours? I suppose you could argue that the Corby service is a quasi-local stopping service but like I said, I don't think it would be the worst idea in the world to use sprinters on this as long as there is somewhere useful for the 221s to go on the EMT network (Liverpool-Norwich would obviously be a good move seat numbers wise but I believe the speed limits on this line for 221s are punishing in places). | ||
| 09:16, 26 August 2009: | Report | Quote | ||
| eddp Member Send a message Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1429 News credits: 1 |
The 222s used on the Corby service could be used on the TPE Manchester Airport-Newcastle service, which is limited to 100mph between on the ECML where the ECML has a 125mph line speed as well as having capacity problems, that could then mean some 3 car 185s could be free for EMT. | ||
| 09:28, 26 August 2009: | Report | Quote | ||
| emchris Member Send a message Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 49 |
That really would be an improvement for East Midlands Trains' passengers!  | ||